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June 14, 2004 - 20:24 : Dries

Some initial thoughts:

Joep/Ber's proposal [1] looks nice visually, but (i) communicates
almost nothing and (ii) does not present all required information. It
is incomplete and therefor difficult to evaluate. My original mockup
[2] is visually less appealing, but at least it clearly communicates
Drupal's architecture, modularity and functionality.
The suggested leaftlet information [3] often emphasises on the wrong
features (eg. the 'collaborative book' is the first entry which makes
it the most important one -- not so) and even lists irrelevant information
(eg. information about Druplicon). Furthermore, the list
is a mixture of 'features' (eg. news aggregation) and 'properties' (eg.
scalability).
Kika's use cases [4] are the best material I've read so far. It
communicates what Drupal can do in a solution driven manner without
becoming a long-winded list of features and properties. The
screenshots are too small though. 'Aficionado site' is a weird
(uncommon) description -- aren't all websites centered around a topic,
person or interest? I'd change 'community portal site' to 'community
site' and I'd add 'news site' and maybe even 'campaign site'
(grassroots organizing).

[1] http://drupal.org/files/issues/Drupal_poster_proposal_01.jpg
[2] http://buytaert.net/temporary/drupal-poster.jpg
[3] http://drupal.org/files/issues/drupal-leaflet.folded_0.pdf
[4] http://drupal.org/files/issues/kika.drupal.booklet.2.usercases.png

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June 14, 2004 - 13:33 : kika

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As we are running out of time, I am creating the leaflet page-by-page
basis.

I dropped coyrighted fonts and using freely downloadable ones

* Georgia: http://simplythebest.net/fonts/fonts/georgia.html * Hit the Road 
(freeware clone of Interstate)
http://www.dafont.com/en/theme.php?cat=501&page=4

Here's the page 1/6 of leaflet: User cases

I'll post text to ML for review, it needs work!



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June 14, 2004 - 11:00 : killes@xxxxxxxxxxxx

I have just received the booth plan. If I read it right we are in the
neighbourhood of Gentoo, Gnome, FreeBSD, fli4l, Free Video and
something called Squeak.

We really need to get cracking. The leaflet should be finished asap. If
Dries does not appear any time soon we need to decide without him. The
leaflets should see a printer really soon now. The poster is less
urgent as I will print that locally. But then again both things should
be designed the same way so we should settle for a design and on the
next. Yes, I am getting nervous.

I'll be available in #drupal for the rest of the day, but probably not
much of the night. I will get a quote for the leaflets later today.

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June 14, 2004 - 09:39 : killes@xxxxxxxxxxxx

Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/drupal-leaflet.folded_0.pdf (20.95 
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Sprry, I had not checked that the ps2pdf conversion did work...

Here is the updated PDF.

My remark about Druplicon was actually to test if somebody had read the
leaflet. ;)

I hope that the people art LinuxTag are bright enough to use the info
address in a usefull way. We will also list the forums and the mailing
list. But you have to registerfor the forum and the ML is probably
closed for non-members so we should have a simple email address, too.

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June 9, 2004 - 14:41 : kika

Kika: what are the names of the fonts you used? Are they OSS? Can you
share a copy otherwise, or choose another one?

I used (c) fonts :(
"Minion Pro" for text, various fonts from "Dax" family for headers.

I think we can safely redesign the leaflet using free webfonts coming
free with MS products an also available for download:

http://simplythebest.net/fonts/fonts/trebuchet_ms.html (for headers)
http://simplythebest.net/fonts/fonts/georgia.html (for body)

Killes: You wnat an EPS: should that be a photoshop eps or illustrator eps.
note that a photoshop eps can be opened on most platforms, so can an illustrator.
An illustrator EPS, however, cannot be edited.

IHMO you got it wrong. photoshop eps is a bitmap with a lo-res preview
image and a an optional cutout path, illustrator eps contains mostly
vectors (with optional images). Does you software or platform opens and
renders these, is really an application-specific feature.
The one and only standard for prepress is an PDF (essentially a packed
and optimized eps).

BTW, when choosing a printer, Gerhard should ask for a "CMYK ICC

profile" in order to provide a best color for final result.

Kika/others: Do you have the Drupal logo word in EPS/vector

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June 9, 2004 - 00:59 : Ber Kessels

After some discussion/talk here are some ideas:

Kika: what are the names of the fonts you used? Are they OSS? Can you
share a copy otherwise, or choose another one?
Killes: You wnat an EPS: should that be a photoshop eps or illustrator
eps. note that a photoshop eps can be opened on most platforms, so can
an illustrator. An illustrator EPS, however, cannot be edited.

Kika: The "simulation" you sent is not very representaive, IMHO.
allthough i do agre with the fact that the font /might/ be small on
screen and on an a4/a3 poster, it might very well be big enought for an
a0. Another simulation will follow though. One that requires you to
stand away 3 mtrs from your screen :)

All: if you see
http://drupal.org/files/issues/Drupal_poster_proposal_01.jpg, and
compare it to http://buytaert.net/temporary/drupal-poster.jpg you will
see that they follow eachothers layout in a way. Specially if you
consider that we discussed the use of the druplicon in the middle.
However: the poster at http://drupal.org/files/issues/Drupal_poster_proposal_01.jpg trys to
follow dries' idea, but dit some more thingss:
It gives it a 3d look. It solves the problem of "flipping text". It is
quite modern but still very corporate, without being boring. (but thats
my opinion)

The highlights used in the leaflet should go to the poster. So for
example the word Blogs should better be Personal websites.

people asked "what about the big" empty druplicon? well: combined with
the druplicon (small, for example in a corner) it can be a just a
visual element, one that kind of emphasises the shape of the pie/wings.
When it is used in combination wit as smaller druplicon, the logo itself
does not come out like *wham* look we have a cool litle puppet, and
sectretly we are all in love with him, but rather as "we have it, it is
our "corporate style element" but we only use it, we are not presneting
it".

Furthermore: the druplicon shape you see in the middle was enhanced, so
that the shape (roudings etc) have a better shape and create more
(visual) tension.

Kika/others: Do you have the Drupal logo word in EPS/vector? OR wcan
you otherwise tell the font of it? I am referring to the logo you used
on the most right pane at the bottom, next to the druplicon.

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June 8, 2004 - 19:12 : killes@xxxxxxxxxxxx

We should indeed try to settle for one design that can be re-used on
leaflet, poster, business cards, t-shirts...

I generally prefer Kika's layout, but I am no expert. Most important is
that we get the leaflet together, because this has to get printed
somewhere (still have to find out, suggestions welcome).
I can print the poster locally, which requires less time.

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June 8, 2004 - 17:55 : kika

Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/kika.drupal.poster.simulation.jpg 
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IHMO ALL Drupal promotional material should carry similar visual theme
eg speak the same visual language. In current state the poster approach
is far different from the leaflet style I am suggesting. Not that my
style is better than others, just that we need some sort of agreement
here.

Posters suggestion:

1) Make it clear and visible

Posters should be viewable and understandable from a distance, so only
a BIG CLEAR textual message or graphic should be a visual and semantic
centerpiece. See the attached simulation where Drupal poster is hanging
on the wall viewed from a distance. What do you see? I see the big
(water?) drop and the text "Drupal". What is it? A water-purification
promotion?

2) Find the point we want to make

What is the poster's message, the point, the centerpiece? IHMO it can
not be the Druplicon. Yes, this is part of the branding and carries our
values, but target audience might be mislead. For them, Druplicon looks
too "hackish", too "napster".



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June 8, 2004 - 17:13 : Ber Kessels

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A small note to add to my latest post about the poster.

We discussed some issues on the colour setting and on the
puzzle/blocks. 

I copypasted some quickies. The result shows a bit where we might be
going. 



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June 8, 2004 - 11:39 : MegaGrunt

I think it would be good to also mention that Drupal produces
'accessible' output - making it possible to create accessible
templates.

The Pushbutton template for example is Section 508 and WCAG Priority 1
compliant, see here for more info:

http://www.cortextcommunications.com/pushbutton/book/view/4

Under EU law sites must be accessible, but the reality is that few
organisations care about this yet. It would however be important to
suits looking for a CMS for a government organisation, accessibility is
an absolute requirement, and Drupal is one of the few CMS that has this.

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June 8, 2004 - 10:16 : Ber Kessels

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From the designer:

[ dutch original ]
Ik ben heel 'brutaal' geweest zoals je kunt zien;

1. Ik ben niet met 'platte vlakken' gaan werken zoals op de site, de huisstijl,
maar meer "3D". Geen 'plastic look' maar... een meer
'business look' proberen op te zoeken.

2. Tekstueel gezien meer business look, suits look.

(3. Auto interieur? 'Suits, suits, suits')

Hij is dus nog niet af, ik weet namelijk niet of iedereen er blij mee
gaat zijn, misschien dat ik de enigste ben, dat kan. Ik hoop het niet. Ik
heb iniedergeval een wat volwassener en zakelijk 'approach' proberen te creeeren,
wat naar mijn weten vrij goed gelukt is. Enige negatieve danwelniet positieve
opmerkingen, aanmerking of lovende kritieken zijn

welkom... ai-ai-ai.
[/ dutch original ]

My translation:
I have been quite impudent as you can see.

1. I did not use 'flat areas' like the site (drupal.org BK) does, the
housstyle, but rather "3D". Not plastic look, but....searched for  a
more'buisiness look'.

2. Textual wise more buisiness look, suits look.

(3. Car interior (i think he means the background BK)'Suits, suits,
suits')

He is not finsihed at all. Because I have no clue whether people will
be happy with this, it might be I am the only one, possible. I don't
hope so. I treids to create a corporate look. In any ways i tried to
create a more grown-up look and 'approach'. As far as i know, i
achieved this quite well. Negative or positive feedback is more than
welcome. aiaiaia. 



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June 7, 2004 - 03:26 : kika

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June 7, 2004 - 03:25 : kika

Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/kika.drupal.puzzle.1.png (61.27 KB)

My take on "Drupal diagram", started on
http://buytaert.net/temporary/drupal-poster.jpg

What pieces should be "foundation" and what "flying pieces"?