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From: w...@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow)
Subject: News requires redesign and re-implementation
Message-ID: <1992Apr3.175925.27388@rwwa.COM>
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 17:59:25 GMT
This latest spate of foolishness, following years of intermittent
incidents of similar foolishness, has convinced me that continued
incremental development of the current news architecture is wasted
effort. ``news'' needs to be redesigned with security and authority
as *primary* objectives.
The cumulative savings in time and effort across the net resulting
from the introduction of a news system that made impossible, or
nearly so, forgeries, sendsys bombings, leakages, stale news floods,
mis-directed distributions, and all of the other things the current
system gives us, would be truly astounding.
No, I am not volenteering.
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From: ge...@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: News requires redesign and re-implementation
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Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center
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Robert Withrow:
>``news'' needs to be redesigned with security and authority as *primary*
>objectives.
I think you are overreacting, but if you can find us a fast, unpatented,
unbroken, exportable, reversible, public-key cryptosystem, we'll be
delighted to use it.
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Geoff Collyer world.std.com!geoff, uunet.uu.net!geoff
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From: mer...@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: News requires redesign and re-implementation
In-Reply-To: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow)
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 03:09:56 GMT
In article <1992Apr3.175925.27...@rwwa.COM>, witr@rwwa (Robert Withrow) writes:
| This latest spate of foolishness, following years of intermittent
| incidents of similar foolishness, has convinced me that continued
| incremental development of the current news architecture is wasted
| effort. ``news'' needs to be redesigned with security and authority
| as *primary* objectives.
|
| The cumulative savings in time and effort across the net resulting
| from the introduction of a news system that made impossible, or
| nearly so, forgeries, sendsys bombings, leakages, stale news floods,
| mis-directed distributions, and all of the other things the current
| system gives us, would be truly astounding.
IMMINENT DEATH OF USENET PREDICTED.
[again. :-]
(Who has that post that codified this phrase, with the history of
Usenet from day 2 onward, including the uses of this phrase? Email,
please. Thanks.)
Just another old-time usenetter (from waaay back in 1980),
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From: bjo...@weber.ucsd.edu (Bruce Jones)
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Subject: Sifting thru old news
Date: 6 Apr 1992 19:53:36 GMT
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In article <1992Apr4.030956.4...@iWarp.intel.com> mer...@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
>
>IMMINENT DEATH OF USENET PREDICTED.
>
>[again. :-]
>
>(Who has that post that codified this phrase, with the history of
>Usenet from day 2 onward, including the uses of this phrase?
I "probably" have this article/post. Several months ago I received
12 full magtapes of news from 1982 to 1986 or so from the good folks
at CFRI/Toronto and have been busily and happily rooting around in
the files ever since. The problems of sorting thru all this news
however are more daunting than I imagined. There's 2gb of news
there and I have about 160mb of diskspace to use to sort it. This
is enough space to make a dd tape dump and run tar against it to
extract the files a few at a time (there's not enough inodes on this
machine to dump an old news tape with tar).
What I need is some kind of search engine/"knowbot" that I could
prime with a few, well-chosen words/strings that would run with
tar as the primary extraction utility and find the appropriate
articles. (Does this make any sense? I'm not too sure of my terms
here.) Given that my programming experience is limited to writing
shell scripts, I'd appreciate some advice/help from those of you
out there who know a bit about awk and C. Anyone have any advice
or programs that I could use or modify to find articles about
specific things? If so, and I can locate the articles in the
database, I'd be happy to repost them somewhere where others can
see/retrieve them.
Anyone out there care to see the first use of the smiley face or the
article, mentioned above, where the phrase "iminent death of the net
predicted" was first used?
Bruce Jones Graduate Program in Communication
bjo...@ucsd.edu/bitnet University of California, San Diego
(619) 534-0417/4410 9500 Gilman Drive
FAX (619) 534-7315 La Jolla, Ca. 92093-0503
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