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From: wis...@killer.UUCP (Bill Wisner)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: News 3.0
Message-ID: <4460@killer.UUCP>
Date: 14 Jun 88 18:40:46 GMT
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Well, Eric, where is it?
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From: david...@steinmetz.ge.com (William E. Davidsen Jr)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: News 3.0
Message-ID: <11271@steinmetz.ge.com>
Date: 16 Jun 88 18:32:58 GMT
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In article <4...@killer.UUCP> wis...@killer.UUCP (Bill Wisner) writes:
| Well, Eric, where is it?
I'm NOT the only one... I was supposed to be a beta site for N3.0 on
xenix[23]86 and a few other systems, and never heard anything?
How about a status report?
--
bill davidsen (w...@ge-crd.arpa)
{uunet | philabs | seismo}!steinmetz!crdos1!davidsen
"Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
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From: e...@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: News 3.0
Summary: 3.0 status report
Message-ID: <dQZHn#34Viu8=eric@snark.UUCP>
Date: 18 Jun 88 03:54:06 GMT
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In article <11...@steinmetz.ge.com> bill davidsen writes:
>In article <4...@killer.UUCP> wis...@killer.UUCP (Bill Wisner) writes:
>| Well, Eric, where is it?
>
> I'm NOT the only one... I was supposed to be a beta site for N3.0 on
>xenix[23]86 and a few other systems, and never heard anything?
Sorry, I did email you about this. Two SCO XENIX people, Steph Marr and Keith
Reynolds, are now semi-officially working on the XENIX port; I figured I'd
send you a version known to work under it. They're busy right now pre-USENIX,
but have said they do (what should be) the final test cycle after.
> How about a status report?
I just posted a short one, but here goes again.
I think I'm ready for release, and am just polishing at this point (things
like adding multi-user interlocking and shareable format to the history
database handling routines, and improving the organization of the library
code a bit).
But I'm waiting on the NNTP and NFS support changes Erik Fair and Mel Pleasant
have been promising. I'm not going to wait much longer, this thing has slipped
too long as it is. Time for another round of trying to get people to move
faster.
I guess I have to set myself a deadline. I'll ship what I have August 1st.
If that's missing NNTP/NFS code, that'll just have to do; it can be a patch.
--
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From: g...@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: News 3.0
Message-ID: <4751@hoptoad.uucp>
Date: 20 Jun 88 06:57:07 GMT
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e...@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond) wrote:
> I think I'm ready for release, and am just polishing at this point...
> But I'm waiting on the NNTP and NFS support changes...
> I guess I have to set myself a deadline. I'll ship what I have August 1st.
> If that's missing NNTP/NFS code, that'll just have to do; it can be a patch.
I've talked with Eric about this, but maybe it's time to get the net
involved. IT'S SUICIDE TO RELEASE A MAJOR NETNEWS RELEASE WITHOUT SERIOUS
TESTING!
Last I talked with him, News 3.0 was running on about 5 machines, TOTAL.
It's only running in production on ONE -- snark, Eric's machine.
It needs to go through alpha and a beta tests with say 10 sites using it
in production in alpha, and 50 in beta. I'd recommend having a couple
of backbone sites in the alpha test, and upgrading most of the rest
of the backbone toward the end of the beta test. After it has burned-in
for a month or so, and it really works and really ports and has true blue
easy to read installation instructions, THEN is the time to post it.
Not August first. But when it works.
The time to start the alpha testing is now, not when NNTP and NFS code
shows up. There are plenty of bugs waiting to be found on non-ethernetted
sites.
We could use a serious volunteer as alpha and beta test coordinator.
This will burn a couple months of your time. The job is a smooth transition
on 8000 sites to a major new network software release. Any takers?
--
John Gilmore {sun,pacbell,uunet,pyramid,amdahl}!hoptoad!gnu g...@toad.com
"And if there's danger don't you try to overlook it,
Because you knew the job was dangerous when you took it"
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From: s...@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: News 3.0
Message-ID: <4378@medusa.cs.purdue.edu>
Date: 20 Jun 88 14:21:02 GMT
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In article <4...@hoptoad.uucp> g...@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) writes:
>e...@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond) wrote:
>> I think I'm ready for release, and am just polishing at this point...
>> But I'm waiting on the NNTP and NFS support changes...
>> I guess I have to set myself a deadline. I'll ship what I have August 1st.
>> If that's missing NNTP/NFS code, that'll just have to do; it can be a patch.
>
>Last I talked with him, News 3.0 was running on about 5 machines, TOTAL.
>It's only running in production on ONE -- snark, Eric's machine.
If John's numbers are even close to correct, then I am in 100%
agreement with his recommendations. I will not install (or even
recommend) any software that hasn't gone through some kind of shakedown
testing, no matter who (or what!) writes it.
The machines on the net represent dozens of Unix variants and dozens of
machine types. The release needs to be tested and confirmed on a large
subset of those combinations. If the software is released without test
and contains flaws, then after it breaks enough time it will get such a
bad reputation no one will ever want to try it again.
Do some proper testing, Eric. Find at least one each Alpha test
involving: a BSD site, a System V.3 site, a System III site (?), a
SunOS site, an Ultrix site, a Xenix site, an HP-UX site, a Vax site, a
Pyramid site, a Sun 4 site, a 3B2 site, and a Sequent site. Then go
into Beta test with at least 20 or 30 sites, perhaps an open Beta
test.
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
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From: e...@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: News 3.0 open beta test
Message-ID: <dSEbf#gBoZb=eric@snark.UUCP>
Date: 22 Jun 88 18:13:21 GMT
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Gene Spafford recently posted an article urging me to coordinate an open
beta test of News 3.0 before release. I am quite willing to do this; the
software has already run successfully on enough different systems (including
680x0, Pyramid, and VAX processors under System V and 4.[23]BSD and under
XENIX and Microport UNIX on [23]86 boxes) that I feel very confident of its
stability and portability (it doesn't hurt that the *entire* suite lints
clean).
Volunteers for this round so far include:
Site Machine UNIX flavor Contact
------- ------- ----------- --------------------------------------------
sco 80386 SCO XENIX V Steph Marr (stephm), Keith Reynolds (keithr)
hoptoad 68020 SunOS 3.2 John Gilmore (gnu)
killer 3B2/500 SVr3.1.1 Bill Wisner (wisner)
u1100a 68010 SVr2 Eric Krohn (krohn)
csccat HP9000 HP-UX 5.22 Jack Hudler (jack)
As you can see, we're short of BSD sites (could it be that *gasp* AT&T really
*is* the standard ;-)?). Somebody with a VAX running good old crufty 4.2 wanna
volunteer? The SCO people are going to test on a 286; I'd also love to recruit
NS32032, SPARC and a couple of RISC sites.
The following is a list of old beta sites that I haven't heard from in a while.
site contact processor UNIX version
------- ----------------------- ----------- ------------------------------
cbmvax grr (George Robbins) VAX 11/750 Ultrix 1.2, essentially 4.2BSD
cbm grr (George Robbins) Zilog S8000 Zeus 5.2, a mildly wonky SVr1
jekkara grr (George Robbins) Zilog S8000 Zeus 3.21, SIII + BSD stuff
tapa larry (L. Pajakowski) 80286 (PC AT) XENIX 3.0
extel larry (L. Pajakowski) PDP11/70 BSD2.9
hutch barber (Steve Barber) VAX, 3B2 SVr2, 4.1BSD
spectrix clewis (Chris Lewis) 68020 XENIX 3.0 (5.0 soon)
mnetor ron (Ron Miller) Pyramid 90x OSx 2.5 (3.0 soon)
amdahl gam (G. A. Moffet) Amdahl 5890 SVr2
riacs mab (Matt Bishop) ? ?
vu-vlsi perry (Rick Perry) Pyramid 90x OSx3.1 (SVr1 + 4.2BSD)
seismo rick (Rick Adams) Celerity 1206D 4.2BSD with NFS
elsie ado (Arthur Olsen) ? ?
devon paul (P. Sutcliffe Jr) 286? XENIX
dragon bobm (Bob McQueer) ? ?
Are you guys still alive? Do you want to get active again?
CAVEAT: I am *still* missing vetted NNTP/NFS support. If your site depends
on this, best sit this round out.
To play, you must establish a login at my machine and be willing to poll me.
I will queue full sources for uucp on request and issue periodic bulletins
and patches to everyone who's formally on the beta list.
I can be reached most of the time at my home phone (given below). Feel free
to e-mail or call me with any questions.
--
Eric S. Raymond (the mad mastermind of TMN-Netnews)
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From: e...@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: News 3.0 open beta test
Message-ID: <dSG57#oJDRT=eric@snark.UUCP>
Date: 22 Jun 88 19:47:59 GMT
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Gene Spafford recently posted an article urging me to coordinate an open
beta test of News 3.0 before release. I am quite willing to do this; the
software has already run successfully on enough different systems (including
680x0, Pyramid, and VAX processors under System V and 4.[23]BSD and under
XENIX and Microport UNIX on [23]86 boxes) that I feel quite confident of its
stability and portability (it doesn't hurt that the *entire* suite lints
clean).
Volunteers for this round so far include:
Site Machine UNIX flavor Contact
------- ------- ----------- --------------------------------------------
sco 80386 SCO XENIX V Steph Marr (stephm), Keith Reynolds (keithr)
hoptoad 68020 SunOS 3.2 John Gilmore (gnu)
killer 3B2/500 SVr3.1.1 Bill Wisner (wisner)
u1100a 68010 SVr2 Eric Krohn (krohn)
csccat HP9000 HP-UX 5.22 Jack Hudler (jack)
As you can see, we're short of BSD sites (could it be that *gasp* AT&T really
*is* the standard ;-)?). Somebody with a VAX running good old crufty 4.2 wanna
volunteer? The SCO people are going to test on a 286; I'd also love to recruit
NS32032, SPARC and a couple of RISC sites.
The following is a list of old beta sites that I haven't heard from in a while.
site contact processor UNIX version
------- ----------------------- ----------- ------------------------------
cbmvax grr (George Robbins) VAX 11/750 Ultrix 1.2, essentially 4.2BSD
cbm grr (George Robbins) Zilog S8000 Zeus 5.2, a mildly wonky SVr1
jekkara grr (George Robbins) Zilog S8000 Zeus 3.21, SIII + BSD stuff
tapa larry (L. Pajakowski) 80286 (PC AT) XENIX 3.0
extel larry (L. Pajakowski) PDP11/70 BSD2.9
hutch barber (Steve Barber) VAX, 3B2 SVr2, 4.1BSD
spectrix clewis (Chris Lewis) 68020 XENIX 3.0 (5.0 soon)
mnetor ron (Ron Miller) Pyramid 90x OSx 2.5 (3.0 soon)
amdahl gam (G. A. Moffet) Amdahl 5890 SVr2
riacs mab (Matt Bishop) ? ?
vu-vlsi perry (Rick Perry) Pyramid 90x OSx3.1 (SVr1 + 4.2BSD)
seismo rick (Rick Adams) Celerity 1206D 4.2BSD with NFS
elsie ado (Arthur Olsen) ? ?
devon paul (P. Sutcliffe Jr) 286? XENIX
dragon bobm (Bob McQueer) ? ?
Are you guys still alive? Do you want to get active again?
CAVEAT: I am *still* missing vetted NNTP/NFS support. If your site depends
on this, best sit this round out.
To play, you must establish a login at my machine and be willing to poll me.
I will queue full sources for uucp on request and issue periodic bulletins
and patches to everyone who's formally on the beta list.
I can be reached most of the time at my home phone (given below). Feel free
to e-mail or call me with any questions.
--
Eric S. Raymond (the mad mastermind of TMN-Netnews)
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Post: 22 South Warren Avenue, Malvern, PA 19355 Phone: (215)-296-5718
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From: e...@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: News 3.0 open beta test
Message-ID: <dSk4N#3k4nn5=eric@snark.UUCP>
Date: 24 Jun 88 03:49:09 GMT
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More sites have signed up for the open beta:
Site Machine UNIX flavor Contact
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crdos 80386 SCO XENIX V Bill Davidsen (davidsen)
bcs212 Apollo Ersatz 4.2BSD Vince Skahan (vader)
jhereg 3B1 AT&T System V Mark H. Colburn (mark)
svedc Sun 2 SunOS 3.5 Dave Heinen (dheinen)
tolerant VAX 4.2BSD Jane Medefesser (jane)
pyrdc Pyr90x OS3.? Mike Whitman (mike)
Watch this space for further developments!
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Post: 22 South Warren Avenue, Malvern, PA 19355 Phone: (215)-296-5718
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From: newsu...@LTH.Se (Lund Institute of Technology news server)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: News 3.0
Message-ID: <1988Jun28.095622.25888@LTH.Se>
Date: 28 Jun 88 08:56:22 GMT
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Reply-To: D...@DNA.LTH.Se (Dan Oscarsson)
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What is good and new in news 3.0? Do we need it?
There is already a new news program: C-news that can be used
to replace news 2.11 with.
We have used the alpha-release of C-news for half a year and it works ok.
Is there anything in news 3.0 that is better than C-news?
Are we going to have two versions of news in the world after news 2.11?
--
Dan Oscarsson e-mail: D...@DNA.LTH.Se
Department of Computer Science
Lund Institute of Technology
S-221 00 Lund, Sweden
Newsgroups: news.software.b
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From: he...@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: News 3.0
Message-ID: <1988Jul7.164001.8900@utzoo.uucp>
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 88 16:40:01 GMT
> Are we going to have two versions of news in the world after news 2.11?
We've had multiple versions of news in the world for a long time. The
situation may perhaps get a bit more visible, but the problem is not new.
--
Man is the best computer we can | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
put aboard a spacecraft. --Von Braun | {ihnp4,decvax,uunet!mnetor}!utzoo!henry
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From: e...@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.admin
Subject: State of the 3.0 public beta test
Message-ID: <dXny5#sE7hf=eric@snark.UUCP>
Date: 8 Jul 88 02:59:37 GMT
Organization: Network 23 AI Research Group
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43 sites are now participating in the beta. We have lots of Suns, 80386
boxes and VAXen, a sufficiency of 3B1s and other random 680xx machines,
enough 80286es, and a couple of WE320xx machines. Conventional UNIX boxen
are, at this point, quite well represented.
Then we come to the oddballs. An Amdahl, a couple of Pyramids, a MIPS machine,
an HP9000 and even a UNIVAC (excuuuse me, that's `UniSys') 1100. For beta-ing
purposes, I love those weird machines -- and I'd like to see more of them.
So bring on your ones-complement machines, your multiprocessor boxes, your
vectorizing supercomputers, and your crufty ancient mainframes. The more
bizarre your machine is the better I'll like it (you still need to be a UNIX
site, though; I'd like to port to VMS and OS/2 but those could take a while).
So far, things have gone pretty smoothly. The most serious problems reported
have been glitches in the Configure script due to nonportable shell constructs
introduced during alpha test (not by me, I might add!). Several sites have
reported complete configuration and compilation of the software and have
started on the port validation procedure, a series of tests designed to show
that the various layers and pieces of the news software function up to spec.
Fixes for reported problems with beta level 0 have just been sent out as beta
patch 1. Said patch also includes some optimizations that cut news processing
costs significantly for sites that are leaf or twig nodes.
Returns from live testing, with real feeds from 2.11 and older sites, should
start coming in by early next week.
contact name (fullname) Phone processor Sta UNIX version
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amdahl!gam G. A. Moffet (408)-746-8287 Amdahl 5890 P1 SVr3.1
arnold!dave Dave Arnold (714)-586-5894 AT&T 3B1 P1 SVr1
att!tgt Tim Thompson (614)-860-7026 3B5, 3B20 P1 SVr3
barris!tim Tim Tegtmeier (701)-282-5750 NCR 32/600 P1 SVr2
bigtex!james ~ Van Artsdalen (512)-328-0280 80386 P1 Microport V/386
cbmvax!grr George Robbins (215)-431-9836 VAX 11/750 P1 Ultrix 1.2
cocktrice!mdm Mike Mitchell (505)-662-6296 80286 P1 SVr2
cooper!mayer Mayer Ilovitz (212)-353-4350 Intel310 P1 XENIX3.0
crdos1!davidsen Bill ~ (518)-387-6489 80386 P1 SCO XENIX V
csccat!jack ~ Hudler (214)-661-8960 HP9000 P1 HP-UX 5.22
cvedc!dheinen Dave Heinen (503)-645-2410 Sun 2 P1 SunOS 3.5
datacube!cag Chris Gantz (617)-535-6644 Sun 3/280 W1 SunOS 3.5
devon!paul ~ Sutcliffe Jr (717)-295-5478 TRS80-16 P1 XENIX
daver!dlr Dave Rand (408)-721-7099 32000 W1 V.[23]
elan!jlo Jeff Lo (415)-322-2450 MicroVax II W1 Ultrix 1.1
eplrx7!lad Lawr. Deleski (302)-695-9013 MicroVax II P1 MORE/4.3BSD
hoptoad!gnu John Gilmore (415)-221-6524 Sun 3 P1 SunOS 3.2
jackson!egranthm Ewan Grantham (601)-354-6454 Unisys 5000 W1 SVr2
killer!wisner Bill Wisner (208)-286-7335 3B2/500 P1 SVr3.1.1
libove!jay Jay Libove (412)-621-9649 80286 W1 XENIX 222.1
mcf!shan Sharan Kalwani (313)-833-0710 VAX 11/750 P1 4.3BSD
lts!root Kurt Baumann (703)-478-0010 AT&T 3B2 P1 System V
mips!koblas David Koblas (408)-991-0287 MIPS P1 4.3BSD
ncc!lyndon ~ Nerenberg (403)-421-8181 Sun 3/280 - SunOS 3.[45]
obdient!blair Doug Blair (312)-653-5527 80386 P1 Microport SVr3
oss410!tkevans Tim K. Evans (301)-965-3286 VAX P1 4.2BSD
otishq!root Harry Skelton (703)-222-6889 68020 W1 SV
pbox!pete ~ Rourke (918)-664-0724 80386 P1 SCO XENIX 2.2.3
polyslo!steve ~ DeJarnet (805)-756-2147 Pyramid 90x P1 OSx4.4
pyrdc!mike ~ Whitman (703)-848-2050 Pyramid 90x P1 OSx4.4
sco!stephm Steph Marr (800)-626-4381 80386 P1 SCO XENIX Vr3
splut!jay Jay Maynard (713)-332-3376 PC/AT clone P1 Microport 2.3.0
stanton!donegan Steven ~ (714)-474-2033 286 - SCO 2.2.1
telesci!gaa Gary Algier (609)-866-1000 Sun 3/50 W1 SunOS 4.0
telesof!bruceb B. Bergman (619)-457-2700 Sun 2 P1 SunOS 3.4
toleran!jane ~ Medefesser (408)-433-5588 VAX 11-780 W1 4.2BSD
u1100a!krohn Eric Krohn (201)-699-4501 Unisys 1100 W1 SVr2
unisec!dpw Darryl Waggoner (617)-226-1344 3B1 - 3.51
urbsdc!darrell ~ McIntosh (217)-384-8509 Gould 9080 W1 UTX 2.0
vader!bcs212 Vince Skahan (215)-591-4116 Apollo P1 Ersatz 4.2BSD
vu-vlsi!perry Rick Perry (215)-645-4224 Pyramid 90x P1 OSx3.1
wb3ffv!howard ~ Leadmon (301)-335-2206 80386 + TB P1 Microport V/386
winfree!bdale ~ Garbee (719)-590-2868 32016 W1 4.3BSD
Particular wants at this point: a SPARC site, a Cray site, an IBM/370 site,
and as many other different flavors of these newfangled RISC boxes as we can
scare up (what's that you say? a SIMD trinary-logic machine with 42-bit words
running Version 9? I want it! :-)...)
--
Eric S. Raymond (the mad mastermind of TMN-Netnews)
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