From schoedel@kw.igs.net Fri May 3 03:51:40 2002
From: schoedel@kw.igs.net (Kevin Schoedel)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 23:51:40 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Some tapes
Message-ID: < v04210101b8f7b991be5c@[216.58.99.179]>
I've just obtained a box of tapes, some of which might be of interest here.
- UNIX/32V V1.0 (w/ typed Bell Labs label): one 2400' 800bpi tape
- Ultrix-32M V1.1 distribution: one 2400' dump tape
- Ultrix-32 & 32M V1.1 Sources: two 2400' 1600bpi tar tapes (2 copies each)
- BSD4.1 distribution: one 2400' 1600bpi tape
- UNIX V5 (handwritten label dated Feb 7 1977): one 2400' tape
- one 400' tape with missing identification label but a typed Bell
Labs notice
- backup of 2 RKs: V6 UNIX master and V6 UNIX additional source:
one 400' 800bpi tape
- C Release 29/9/80 (handwritten): one 2400' tape
- several backup tapes from a V7 system
- several other tapes that appear to be other UNIX system backups
I don't have a 9-track drive, so I can't say that these will be readable (or
even that they haven't been bulk-erased), but I do believe that they have at
least been stored well so far. If any of these look like they could contain
things currently missing from the archives, then I do of course want to make
them available to someone who can try to read them.
--
Kevin Schoedel
schoedel@kw.igs.net
From grog@lemis.com Fri May 3 04:18:17 2002
From: grog@lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 13:48:17 +0930
Subject: [TUHS] Some tapes
In-Reply-To: < v04210101b8f7b991be5c@[216.58.99.179]>
References: < v04210101b8f7b991be5c@[216.58.99.179]>
Message-ID: <20020503134817.Q12386@wantadilla.lemis.com>
On Thursday, 2 May 2002 at 23:51:40 -0400, Kevin Schoedel wrote:
> I've just obtained a box of tapes, some of which might be of interest here.
>
> - UNIX/32V V1.0 (w/ typed Bell Labs label): one 2400' 800bpi tape
> - Ultrix-32M V1.1 distribution: one 2400' dump tape
> - Ultrix-32 & 32M V1.1 Sources: two 2400' 1600bpi tar tapes (2 copies each)
> - BSD4.1 distribution: one 2400' 1600bpi tape
> - UNIX V5 (handwritten label dated Feb 7 1977): one 2400' tape
Yes! Do you know if it's source or object?
> - one 400' tape with missing identification label but a typed Bell
> Labs notice
> - backup of 2 RKs: V6 UNIX master and V6 UNIX additional source:
> one 400' 800bpi tape
> - C Release 29/9/80 (handwritten): one 2400' tape
> - several backup tapes from a V7 system
> - several other tapes that appear to be other UNIX system backups
>
> I don't have a 9-track drive, so I can't say that these will be readable (or
> even that they haven't been bulk-erased), but I do believe that they have at
> least been stored well so far. If any of these look like they could contain
> things currently missing from the archives, then I do of course want to make
> them available to someone who can try to read them.
This is excellent news. So far, nobody has been able to find sources
for the fourth or fifth editions, so that one tape would be excellent
if it's readable. I'm sure that people close to you (US east coast)
will make themselves known.
Greg
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From schoedel@kw.igs.net Fri May 3 05:07:05 2002
From: schoedel@kw.igs.net (Kevin Schoedel)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 01:07:05 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Some tapes
In-Reply-To: < 20020503134817.Q12386@wantadilla.lemis.com>
References: < v04210101b8f7b991be5c@[216.58.99.179]>
<20020503134817.Q12386@wantadilla.lemis.com>
Message-ID: < v04210102b8f7c271d43e@[216.58.99.179]>
>> - UNIX V5 (handwritten label dated Feb 7 1977): one 2400' tape
>
>Yes! Do you know if it's source or object?
No idea. I assume it's a system backup tape, rather than a distribution tape,
since it has six dates written on the label, the last marked 'archived. One
can hope that the system had sources online; it is a 2400' tape, and a slight
difference in appearance between the inside and outside suggests it might be
about 2/3 full. (These tapes, by the way, came from the University of
Waterloo.)
There's also that unidentified short tape with a Bell Labs notice -- is the
wording enough to identify the version (assuming it is a UNIX tape)? This one
reads "THIS INFORMATION IS PROPRIETARY AND IS THE PROPERTY OF BELL TELEPHONE
LABORATORIES, INC. ITS REPRODUCTION OR DISCLOSURE TO OTHERS, EITHER ORALLY OR
IN WRITING, IS PROHIBITED WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION OF BELL LABORATORIES."
--
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schoedel@kw.igs.net
From grog@lemis.com Fri May 3 06:04:54 2002
From: grog@lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 15:34:54 +0930
Subject: [TUHS] Some tapes
In-Reply-To: < v04210102b8f7c271d43e@[216.58.99.179]>
References: < v04210101b8f7b991be5c@[216.58.99.179]> <20020503134817.Q12386@wantadilla.lemis.com> < v04210102b8f7c271d43e@[216.58.99.179]>
Message-ID: <20020503153454.V12386@wantadilla.lemis.com>
On Friday, 3 May 2002 at 1:07:05 -0400, Kevin Schoedel wrote:
>>> - UNIX V5 (handwritten label dated Feb 7 1977): one 2400' tape
>>
>> Yes! Do you know if it's source or object?
>
> No idea. I assume it's a system backup tape, rather than a distribution tape,
> since it has six dates written on the label, the last marked 'archived. One
> can hope that the system had sources online; it is a 2400' tape, and a slight
> difference in appearance between the inside and outside suggests it might be
> about 2/3 full. (These tapes, by the way, came from the University of
> Waterloo.)
Ah, well, let's hope.
> There's also that unidentified short tape with a Bell Labs notice -- is the
> wording enough to identify the version (assuming it is a UNIX tape)? This one
> reads "THIS INFORMATION IS PROPRIETARY AND IS THE PROPERTY OF BELL TELEPHONE
> LABORATORIES, INC. ITS REPRODUCTION OR DISCLOSURE TO OTHERS, EITHER ORALLY OR
> IN WRITING, IS PROHIBITED WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION OF BELL LABORATORIES."
I think that's pretty generic.
Greg
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From wkt@tuhs.org Fri May 3 07:51:52 2002
From: wkt@tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 17:51:52 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] Some tapes
In-Reply-To: <20020503134817.Q12386@wantadilla.lemis.com> from "Greg 'groggy'
Lehey" at "May 3, 2002 01:48:17 pm"
Message-ID: <200205030751.g437pqH28832@minnie.tuhs.org>
In article by Greg 'groggy' Lehey:
> > I've just obtained a box of tapes, some of which might be of interest here.
I've passed Kevin's e-mail on to Tim Shoppa, but are there any other
volunteers who could read these tapes for us?
> This is excellent news. So far, nobody has been able to find sources
> for the fourth or fifth editions, so that one tape would be excellent
> if it's readable. I'm sure that people close to you (US east coast)
> will make themselves known.
Close, we have 5th Edition source but no man pages :)
Warren
From mike@ducky.net Fri May 3 08:13:55 2002
From: mike@ducky.net (Mike Haertel)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 01:13:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TUHS] Some tapes
Message-ID: <200205030813.g438DtM2022178@ducky.net>
I'd also like to point out that the 4.1BSD distribution tape would
be a nice addition to the TUHS archive. Right now 4.0, 4.1, and
4.1[abc] distributions are still missing.
From arnold@skeeve.com Fri May 3 10:29:30 2002
From: arnold@skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins)
Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 12:29:30 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] Some tapes
Message-ID: <200205030930.g439Uoo15310@lmail.actcom.co.il>
> From: Mike Haertel < mike@ducky.net>
> To: tuhs@tuhs.org
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Some tapes
> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 01:13:55 -0700 (PDT)
>
> I'd also like to point out that the 4.1BSD distribution tape would
> be a nice addition to the TUHS archive. Right now 4.0, 4.1, and
> 4.1[abc] distributions are still missing.
These are available from Kirk McKusick on his 4-CD collection, no?
It'd be good to have them in w/the other stuff all in one place, but
it's not like they aren't available...
Arnold
From wkt@tuhs.org Fri May 3 10:02:47 2002
From: wkt@tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 20:02:47 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] Some tapes
In-Reply-To: <200205030930.g439Uoo15310@lmail.actcom.co.il> from Aharon Robbins
at "May 3, 2002 12:29:30 pm"
Message-ID: <200205031002.g43A2mE30088@minnie.tuhs.org>
In article by Aharon Robbins:
> > I'd also like to point out that the 4.1BSD distribution tape would
> > be a nice addition to the TUHS archive. Right now 4.0, 4.1, and
> > 4.1[abc] distributions are still missing.
>
> These are available from Kirk McKusick on his 4-CD collection, no?
> It'd be good to have them in w/the other stuff all in one place, but
> it's not like they aren't available...
> Arnold
For most of the 4BSD releases, Kirk's CSRG 4-CD set unfortunately only
has source files: no binaries, no boot records, no bootable tape images.
This does make it hard to resurrect these systems on original hardware
or simulators.
Cheers,
Warren
From jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Fri May 3 11:13:31 2002
From: jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (Jochen Kunz)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 13:13:31 +0200
Subject: [TUHS] Some tapes
In-Reply-To: <200205031002.g43A2mE30088@minnie.tuhs.org>; from wkt@minnie.tuhs.org on Fri, May 03, 2002 at 08:02:47PM +1000
References: <200205030930.g439Uoo15310@lmail.actcom.co.il> <200205031002.g43A2mE30088@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20020503131331.A21649@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 08:02:47PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> For most of the 4BSD releases, Kirk's CSRG 4-CD set unfortunately only
> has source files: no binaries, no boot records, no bootable tape images.
> This does make it hard to resurrect these systems on original hardware
> or simulators.
Yes. And if there are binaries, like for 4.4BSD-Lite, they are on
the ISO file system, not in tar archives. So many file system attributes
like links are lost, device nodes are plain files, ...
I made 4.4BSD-Lite working on my HP9000 433t, but it was a bit
complicated, required a netbooted NetBSD, problems with disklabel
differences 4.4BSD <=> NetBSD, ... It works now (more or less)
and when I have the time I work on a build to update the machine
to the final 4.4BSD-Lite2.
e.g. 4.3BSD-Reno binaries for HP9000 300 would be fine. VAX binaries
are already in the archive. With that you can put a VAX and a HP300
side by side and see and feel the the difference from architecture
to architecture. The same for 4.4BSD on HP300, SPARC, PMAX, ...
Or some 4.[012]BSD on a VAX 11/7[35]0. Are you willing to rebuild
the world on a 0.3 / 0.6 VUP machine with <= 2MB RAM?
--
tschüß,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
From mike@ducky.net Fri May 3 16:53:45 2002
From: mike@ducky.net (Mike Haertel)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TUHS] Some tapes
In-Reply-To: <200205030930.g439Uoo15310@lmail.actcom.co.il>
Message-ID: <200205031653.g43GrjaH023372@ducky.net>
>> I'd also like to point out that the 4.1BSD distribution tape would
>> be a nice addition to the TUHS archive. Right now 4.0, 4.1, and
>> 4.1[abc] distributions are still missing.
>
>These are available from Kirk McKusick on his 4-CD collection, no?
>It'd be good to have them in w/the other stuff all in one place, but
>it's not like they aren't available...
I have Kirk's 4-CD collection. Here's what it has for each version
I mentioned:
4.0 binaries + sources (fully unpacked tree of installed system)
no tape images, however there are already-built standalone
program binaries in /usr/src/sys/stand, so it might be feasible
to roll your own. the hardest part would be creating a
root dump.
4.1 binaries + sources (fully unpacked tree of installed system)
no tape images, but similar prebuilt stuff in /usr/src/sys/stand.
4.1a just some contents from a "Tape #2" - VERY incomplete.
some games binaries, some games and command sources, and
some documents. *no* kernel sources, regular binaries.
4.1b missing entirely
4.1c.1 just a tree of /usr/src, with a /usr/src/sys tree of unknown origin
4.1c.2 partial tape image: has mkfs program, and what looks like a
root dump (but not 100% sure). the rest is untarred, but
I'm guessing the remaining tape files were just in tar
format anyway. prebuilt binaries for standalone programs.
somewhat bizarrely, the kernel sources are in /a/sys and
/sys (on the CDROM) is a broken symbolic link. this is
obviously a snapshot of a working system rather than a more
formal distribution.
Anyway, as Warren already explained, the lack of distribution tape images
makes it hard to install these in an emulator if you want to play with them!