MANOS Source Code Released
From: Jeff V. Merkey (jmerkey@timpanogas.com)
Date: Thu Jul 13 2000 - 17:37:43 EST 


In commemoration of my 40th Birthday which is today (my wife brought 
black baloons and a birthday cake with a tombstone and vulture on it) I 
am releasing the IA32 version of the MANOS source code at 
207.109.151.240 and www.timpanogas.com. At present, there's a binary 
MANOS.EXE file at manos\os\src that boots under MS-DOS (and goes nto 32 
bit mode while keeping DOS resident in low memory). 


The internal architeture of MANOS is **IDENTICAL** to the structure of 
NetWare except theirs no LAN or disk drivers (though you can use any 
servies in the underlyng DOS). This OS is built under DOS with Boralnd 
TC 4.5 and Intersolv PVCS code manager. THe debugger in kernel is 
exquisite in comparison to Linux and is offerred to Linus and Alan in 
the hopes you guys will help me get a version of it inside Linux. It's 
full source level and if we had this in Linux our development times 
would be reduced by a factor of about 20 since it has very good SMP 
debugging facilities. 


At some point, we will be merging this with Linus code so folks can boot 
up Linux under MS-DOS and provide NetWare like performance, though I 
admit it's far from complete -- We've focused on Linux development and 
had this thing on a shelf gathering dust. It's not GPL yet, but I will 
update it in a few weeks and make it so. I've removed the Windows NT 
driver support layer (I have a layer for this that will load all NT 
device drivers and use them) and NTFS/FASTFAT sources from this tree, so 
it's just a barebones SMP kernel with a killer debugger. 


The MANOS.EXE file boots under DOS, and may have problems on some 
machines. 


Enjoy. 


Jeff 


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RE: MANOS Source Code Released
From: Aaron Tiensivu (mojomofo@mojomofo.com)
Date: Fri Jul 14 2000 - 00:00:13 EST 


| Subject: MANOS Source Code Released 


The hands of fate? The master wouldn't approve? 



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Re: MANOS Source Code Released
From: Jeff V. Merkey (jmerkey@timpanogas.com)
Date: Fri Jul 14 2000 - 12:02:21 EST 


Aaron, 


As far as I'm concerned Linus and Alan could run the whole thing and 
take the lead for an open source NetWare clone that levrages Linus' 
absolutely outstanding work, and I'll take direction from them -- but 
that's their bid -- the value for Linux is the debugger in MANOS running 
inside Linux. If I had it just for my internal development, development 
times would be cut by a factor of 20. This project got started with 
some friends of mine in Redmond who were curiously playing with the idea 
of an Open Source NetWare clone that used Microsoft PE/DLL formats, 
though all the code is mine. It was a "proof of concept" project with 
MS in 1997/1998 I did with the some NT folks. They asked me to shelve 
it in September of 1998 and port the NetWare file system to NT/W2K and 
build NetWare-2-W2K progrms instead, so they lost their bid to control 
this any longer. I think it more appropriately belongs in this 
community. At the very least, we can canabalize the pieces of it that 
make sense for Linux. 


:-) 


Also, a tar.gz is there now for those who mentioned this earlier. 


Jeff 


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> The hands of fate? The master wouldn't approve? 
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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmer...@timpanogas.org>
Subject: MANOS Mailing List
Date: 2000/09/30
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For anyone wanting to track the MANOS fork of Linux for the purposes of
monitoring bugs that show up in the ports of Linux code and drivers to
the Open Source NetWare, the MANOS mailing list is active, and you can
sign up at majord...@vger.timpanogas.org.   It's set up the same way the
lists for linux-kernel are setup.

I will post the announcement of exactly which individuals code has been
identified to move over next week, when work will begin in earnest.  We
have moved most of the MANOS code over to gcc, and the next post of
MANOS will include the LLINK linkers we wrote that link DLL's and W2K PE
EXE's into a bootable OS, along with make scripts for gcc.

Bugs received on this list for existing Linux code will be reposted to
linux-kernel if they also affect Linux.  

:-)

Jeff
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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmer...@timpanogas.org>
Subject: MANOS/Ute-Linux mailing List problems
Date: 2000/10/17
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For you guys on the manos-kernel/ute-linux mailing lists, the reason the
list has not been sending out emails for the past week is due some
employees internal at Novell playing games with our servers.  What
appears to be going on is they have registered several bogus email
addresses with bogus domains that point to MX records that route through
these bogus domains back into MX -> prv-mx.provo.novell.com. 

They apparantley setup the DNS entries incorrectly, which is causing the
buggy NetWare/Groupwise DNS servers at Novell to hang when a connection
is opened to port 25 on their primary mail exchanger, and an email loop
to form back to majordomo, which has resulted in majordomo freezing up
during bulk resend (because majordomo fills up the entire disk with the
same messages.  The /var/spool/mqueue diretory appears to still have all
the emails posted and as soon as we disable routing to Novell's DNS mail
exchangers, the messages will repost.  

We apologize for the list problems, and will have it back up later this
evening. 

Jeff
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