From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmer...@timpanogas.com>
Subject: NWFS 2.0 Binaries Released
Date: 2000/01/17
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Linux Folks,

The NWFS 2.0 Binaries are now available at 207.109.151.240.  You will
also note that we are publishing the Windows NT/2000 Drivers and Tools. 
All the tools needed to create, manage, and repair Netware volumes are
also included on this server for MS-DOS(DR-DOS), Linux, and Windows
NT/2000.  The Windows NT/2000 File System Drivers also have special
tools for mounting and dismounting.  There are also some diagnostic
tools provided as well.  

We still have work left for Linux in the following areas:

1.  Macintosh "HFS" style file names for NetWare MAC data stuff.
2.  Memory Usage issues between the Linux LRU and Netware LRU.
3.  Stage Two ASYNC I/O Elevator for the LRU.
4.  Some Directory File Stuff in NWREPAIR.

New versions of these tools will be posted regularly to fix bugs, add
more features, etc.  This version has full mirroring and fault tolerant
failover capability. 
We will have an update in several weeks with the completed elevator to
increase performance.

We have had some problems with our FTP server due to address
pcluster3.dnsdhcp.provo.novell.com doing stuff to our servers.  You may
notice some nasty language on our FTP servers telling Novell to stay off
our site.  We are 
delaying putting any source code up on the site until Novell complies. 
Our FTP servers were 
down for about a week due to these problems.

Also, we will be distributing NetMigrate on Linux as Well as Windows
NT/2000.  We have completed out NetWare/NTFS File System Conversion
tools, and want to put out something similiar for
EXT2.  Is there a way with the RAID stuff to concatonate together
several partitions and
make them look like one logical partition?  We can do this under NT for
converting multi-segment
NetWare volumes to NTFS, and want to do the same for EXT2 (we will give
this tools away since
it is on Linux).  Without this capability, it is not possible to convert
NetWare to EXT2 
in-place.

Bugs, please email jmer...@timpanogas.com.  We will update stuff as we
have time in between 
our Windows NT/2000 and Linux clustering projects.

Jeff

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From: Alan Cox <a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: NWFS 2.0 Binaries Released
Date: 2000/01/17
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> EXT2.  Is there a way with the RAID stuff to concatonate together
> several partitions and
> make them look like one logical partition?  We can do this under NT for
> converting multi-segment

The raid0 code supports concatenation. Its not the normal mode (that is
striping). It also likes to have the odd raid header around so that might
screw an inplace pass.


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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmer...@timpanogas.com>
Subject: Re: NWFS 2.0 Binaries Released
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Alan,

THe Raid Header posses no problem here -- Unlike other FS's Netware does
not use any of the partition space between 0 and 0xA0 sectors from the
beginning of the partition.  This area is for volume tables, hotfix
tables, and mirror tables and gets flagged as free after conversion.

This should work ok.

Jeff

"Jeff V. Merkey" wrote:
> 
> Alan,
> 
> Cool!  We can do this then.  The Netware Volume IMAGER tools will go up
> today, FYI for those
> folks who need to move Netware volumes around.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Alan Cox wrote:
> >
> > > EXT2.  Is there a way with the RAID stuff to concatonate together
> > > several partitions and
> > > make them look like one logical partition?  We can do this under NT for
> > > converting multi-segment
> >
> > The raid0 code supports concatenation. Its not the normal mode (that is
> > striping). It also likes to have the odd raid header around so that might
> > screw an inplace pass.
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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmer...@timpanogas.com>
Subject: Re: NWFS 2.0 Binaries Released
Date: 2000/01/17
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Alan,

Cool!  We can do this then.  The Netware Volume IMAGER tools will go up
today, FYI for those
folks who need to move Netware volumes around.

Jeff

Alan Cox wrote:
> 
> > EXT2.  Is there a way with the RAID stuff to concatonate together
> > several partitions and
> > make them look like one logical partition?  We can do this under NT for
> > converting multi-segment
> 
> The raid0 code supports concatenation. Its not the normal mode (that is
> striping). It also likes to have the odd raid header around so that might
> screw an inplace pass.
> 
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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmer...@timpanogas.com>
Subject: NWFS 2.0.1 Binaries Updated - Level I bug in LRU, Elevator Completed
Date: 2000/01/26
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Linux Kernel,

The NWFS 2.0 drivers have a level I bug in the LRU for cross volume
copying that could corrupt the directory file in certain
configurations.  We have corrected this bug and completed the second
stage elavator. Performance has been significantly increased.  The LRU
in the previous version (our LRU not the Linux Buffer Cache) had some
performance issues because we had not completed the elevator for
mirroring and second level asynch IO.  This work in now completed. 

We will post the new drivers at www.timpanogas.com(HTTP) and
207.109.151.240(FTP) at 6 p.m. this evening after a day in the test
lab.  Performance on this version is very good.

Also, the NetWare Volume IMAGER for Volume Image/Restore and Archiving
is being released today as well and binaries are free for the linux
versions.  

Jeff Merkey
CEO, TRG

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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmer...@timpanogas.com>
Subject: NetWare Volume IMAGER 1.0 Released/NWFS 2.0.1 Released
Date: 2000/02/10
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The NetWare Volume IMAGER for doing NetWare to Linux server migrations
is available for download  at 207.109.151.240 in \netmig\nwimage.  DOS,
Linux, and Windows NT/2000 versions are all available.  The IMAGER
creates compressed meta files of an entire Linux systems NetWare volumes
and allows system admins an easy way to archive, consolidate, merge, and
restore NetWare volumes under Linux over a network to the same server or
consolidated servers.  The GNU version does NOT compress the image meta
files, but the licensed version does.

This is useful for folks who are migrating large numbers of NetWare
servers to Linux/Windows NT/2000 that need to merge/split/consolidate
server volumes as part of the migration process.  

The LRU bugs are fixed in the NWFS 2.0 drivers (it was a place I was
using down_interruptible when I should have been using down -- the lock
got unlatched allowimg multiple CPUs to corrupt memory when another app
sent a signal).  There's also a new tar.gz with the IMAGER tools and
updates for the file system config tools.  We also discovered a bug with
inactive mirror groups after a mirroring failover, when you tried to
remove invalid mirror members, NWCONFIG would get a segmentation fault. 
This has been fixed.

Jeff Merkey
CEO, TRG

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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmer...@timpanogas.com>
Subject: Re: NetWare Volume IMAGER 1.0 Released/NWFS 2.0.1 Released
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You can also download this stuff at www.timpanogas.com

Jeff


"Jeff V. Merkey" wrote:
> 
> The NetWare Volume IMAGER for doing NetWare to Linux server migrations
> is available for download  at 207.109.151.240 in \netmig\nwimage.  DOS,
> Linux, and Windows NT/2000 versions are all available.  The IMAGER
> creates compressed meta files of an entire Linux systems NetWare volumes
> and allows system admins an easy way to archive, consolidate, merge, and
> restore NetWare volumes under Linux over a network to the same server or
> consolidated servers.  The GNU version does NOT compress the image meta
> files, but the licensed version does.
> 
> This is useful for folks who are migrating large numbers of NetWare
> servers to Linux/Windows NT/2000 that need to merge/split/consolidate
> server volumes as part of the migration process.
> 
> The LRU bugs are fixed in the NWFS 2.0 drivers (it was a place I was
> using down_interruptible when I should have been using down -- the lock
> got unlatched allowimg multiple CPUs to corrupt memory when another app
> sent a signal).  There's also a new tar.gz with the IMAGER tools and
> updates for the file system config tools.  We also discovered a bug with
> inactive mirror groups after a mirroring failover, when you tried to
> remove invalid mirror members, NWCONFIG would get a segmentation fault.
> This has been fixed.
> 
> Jeff Merkey
> CEO, TRG

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Source Code Release of NWFS 2.0 for 2.2/2.3/2.4
From: Jeff V. Merkey (jmerkey@timpanogas.com)
Date: Mon Feb 07 2000 - 19:12:42 EST 


Alan, 


These web accesses look like your folks, so I should probably explain. 


We have not re-nigged on letting Red Hat have the source code for NWFS 
2.0 (though I am being pressured by to withhold 2.2/2.3/2.4 source so 
RedHat and other Linux players do not get it for migration purposes due 
to RedHat partisan politics that are negatively impacting not only us, 
but our partners and customers), the tools deal you and I discussed is 
concluded with TRG retaining full control over the Linux/NT2000 NWFS 
code and we are working on clustering for Linux and Windows NT/2000 now 
(less 2.4 work) which is what we've wanted to do for a long time. NWFS 
on Linux was simply a side project to increase our familiarity with 
Linux and the Linux process in general (and get your VFS interface 
developed for our clustering products). You will be happy to hear that 
2.2/2.3 is running with our LRU (still have one deadlock and a memory 
corruption problem in Darren's code that he is running down tonight). 


However, we have some legitimate gripes, and I think I really don't like 
Pavel Machek, Ingo Molinar, and Al Viro's shitty attitudes towards us 
and TRG in general (and that they completely ignore emails and requests 
for help in areas they claim to own). If you guys want us to feel like 
a part of what you are doing, then I think out of courtesy, when we ask 
questions, they should get answered. We are more than happy to **NOT** 
publish any more source code for general use by the Linux Community if 
our reward for doing so is to be shit on by a some of the Linux career 
politicians just because our views are different or that we come at 
Linux from different angles. 
The "partisan" commercial politics (since a lot of these folks have 
gotten sucked up into RedHat, Suse, etc.) are preventing folks from 
getting help or participating in the process of developing Linux, and 
WILL HURT LINUX AND FRAGMENT THE MARKET. I think all the RedHat stock 
and Suse stock everyone now has has gone to some peoples heads. The 
partisan politics are destructive to Linux in general, and if RedHat 
employees are going to play them, then so can everyone else, including 
us. 


I do appreciate your help and have enjoyed our dialogue, but hey, there 
has to be something in it for us too, either in the form of 
collaboration, technology adoption, or $$$. To date, less your help, I 
have not seen it from the other Linux folks except Linus, and Anvin, 
both who try very hard to stay above the petty BS with the commerical 
Linux crap. 


I guess what I am trying to say is that if I keep seeing a shift towards 
partisan RedHat politics in terms of who gets to contribute and getting 
included in the process of what's going on, we can just as easily act 
like everyone else, and be "greedy" too, an withhold our stuff. 


I think the next time one of my requests is ignored, we will simply not 
publish any more source code, and just let CALDERA customers get access 
to binaries. With what we get from our Microsoft Windows NT/2000 
customers, why should we tolerate this type of crap when we aren't 
getting what we expect out of our hard work on Linux. 


Your friend, 


Jeff Merkey 
CEO, TRG 




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From: Alexander Viro <av...@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: BSource Code Release of NWFS 2.0 for 2.2/2.3/2.4
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[sorry for late reply, only now got through the mailbox]
>However, we have some legitimate gripes, and I think I really don't like
>Pavel Machek, Ingo Molinar, and Al Viro's shitty attitudes towards us
>and TRG in general (and that they completely ignore emails and requests
>for help in areas they claim to own).  If you guys want us to feel like
>a part of what you are doing, then I think out of courtesy, when we ask
>questions, they should get answered.  We are more than happy to **NOT**
>publish any more source code for general use by the Linux Community if
>our reward for doing so is to be shit on by a some of the Linux career
>politicians just because our views are different or that we come at
>Linux from different angles.
>The "partisan" commercial politics (since a lot of these folks have
>gotten sucked up into RedHat, Suse, etc.) are preventing folks from
>getting help or participating in the process of developing Linux, and
>WILL HURT LINUX AND FRAGMENT THE MARKET.  I think all the RedHat stock
>and Suse stock everyone now has has gone to some peoples heads.  The
>partisan politics are destructive to Linux in general, and if RedHat
>employees are going to play them, then so can everyone else, including
>us.

Just one question: what makes you think that I need Redhat-whatever to
tell an ignorant luser WTF he is? FYI: I've done that _way_ before not
only RH but Linux appeared. I see no reason to treat you any better than
I treated VMS duhvelopers who had no clue on UNIX but insisted that
they could "write for VAX".

BTW, if you will grep the /usr/src/linux/MAINTAINERS you will not find
me there. In the code - yes, but not there. And if you can show me a
single email where I said that I "own" any part of code - go ahead and
do it. Put up or shut up. Yes, I know many things. No, I'm fucking not
obliged to do the helldesk work for any fscking NW primadonna with no
shred of clue, no desire to learn and no semblance of taste. Told you
so, and did that before involvement with RH.

FWIC you are a spoiled ignorant brat with ego on steroids. And I've dealt
with your ilk since waaay back. Shitty attitude? Bite me. I'm a BOFH, not
a nurse. Comes with profession.

>I think the next time one of my requests is ignored, we will simply not
>publish any more source code, and just let CALDERA customers get access

<shrug> So? If I'll need to summon Cthulhu - reading your already published
crap aloud will work just as well.

HTH. HAND. FOAD. *PLONK*

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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmer...@timpanogas.com>
Subject: Re: BSource Code Release of NWFS 2.0 for 2.2/2.3/2.4
Date: 2000/02/09
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Al,

Does anything helpful ever some out of your mouth, or just raw sewage? 
College professor types always seem to rely on character assasination
when they feel ill-equipped in competitive situations.  I'd really like
to meet you face to face sometime and see if your as brave when you
don't have the internet to hide behind.  What trade shows are you
planning to go to?  Let's get together at one and "talk" about our
relationship problems.

Your friend,

Jeff


> 
> Alexander Viro wrote:
> >
> > [sorry for late reply, only now got through the mailbox]
> > >However, we have some legitimate gripes, and I think I really don't like
> > >Pavel Machek, Ingo Molinar, and Al Viro's shitty attitudes towards us
> > >and TRG in general (and that they completely ignore emails and requests
> > >for help in areas they claim to own).  If you guys want us to feel like
> > >a part of what you are doing, then I think out of courtesy, when we ask
> > >questions, they should get answered.  We are more than happy to **NOT**
> > >publish any more source code for general use by the Linux Community if
> > >our reward for doing so is to be shit on by a some of the Linux career
> > >politicians just because our views are different or that we come at
> > >Linux from different angles.
> > >The "partisan" commercial politics (since a lot of these folks have
> > >gotten sucked up into RedHat, Suse, etc.) are preventing folks from
> > >getting help or participating in the process of developing Linux, and
> > >WILL HURT LINUX AND FRAGMENT THE MARKET.  I think all the RedHat stock
> > >and Suse stock everyone now has has gone to some peoples heads.  The
> > >partisan politics are destructive to Linux in general, and if RedHat
> > >employees are going to play them, then so can everyone else, including
> > >us.
> >
> > Just one question: what makes you think that I need Redhat-whatever to
> > tell an ignorant luser WTF he is? FYI: I've done that _way_ before not
> > only RH but Linux appeared. I see no reason to treat you any better than
> > I treated VMS duhvelopers who had no clue on UNIX but insisted that
> > they could "write for VAX".
> >
> > BTW, if you will grep the /usr/src/linux/MAINTAINERS you will not find
> > me there. In the code - yes, but not there. And if you can show me a
> > single email where I said that I "own" any part of code - go ahead and
> > do it. Put up or shut up. Yes, I know many things. No, I'm fucking not
> > obliged to do the helldesk work for any fscking NW primadonna with no
> > shred of clue, no desire to learn and no semblance of taste. Told you
> > so, and did that before involvement with RH.
> >
> > FWIC you are a spoiled ignorant brat with ego on steroids. And I've dealt
> > with your ilk since waaay back. Shitty attitude? Bite me. I'm a BOFH, not
> > a nurse. Comes with profession.
> >
> > >I think the next time one of my requests is ignored, we will simply not
> > >publish any more source code, and just let CALDERA customers get access
> >
> > <shrug> So? If I'll need to summon Cthulhu - reading your already published
> > crap aloud will work just as well.
> >
> > HTH. HAND. FOAD. *PLONK*
> >
> > --
> > All that blue light from Orthanc at night? That was Saruman, trying to
> > moderate news.admin.palantir-abuse.sightings.
> >                                         Mike Andrews in the Monastery
> >
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From: Rik van Riel <r...@nl.linux.org>
Subject: Re: BSource Code Release of NWFS 2.0 for 2.2/2.3/2.4
Date: 2000/02/09
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On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:

> Does anything helpful ever some out of your mouth, or just raw
> sewage?  College professor types always seem to rely on character
> assasination when they feel ill-equipped in competitive situations.

I think "character assasination" (or, more precise, harakiri)
is what you did in the email that started off this thread.

Sure, Linux development is different than development of
closed source software, but that's no reason for a bi-monthly
flamefest. Time to dig out the "don't drink and mail" sign
and permanently bury this thread. In your wise words: "get
over it".

> I'd really like to meet you face to face sometime and see if your
> as brave when you don't have the internet to hide behind.  What
> trade shows are you planning to go to?  Let's get together at one
> and "talk" about our relationship problems.

Judging from your original post and your later apology this
would only be a good idea if we stick to drinks that are less
flammable than we ourselves are. Maybe email really isn't a
good medium to talk this out; a polite face to face meeting
may indeed be better...

kind regards,

Rik
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of people. That is its real strength.


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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmer...@timpanogas.com>
Subject: Re: BSource Code Release of NWFS 2.0 for 2.2/2.3/2.4
Date: 2000/02/10
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Oh Rick, everyone is always so serious -- lighten up -- it's just open
debate.  Al is pretty hateful at times, and I realize he has strong
views -- but everyone's views are different -- that's the great thing
about an open forum like this -- people can get offended -- people can
agree -- people can disagree -- and we can FIX ALL OUR BUGS.  It's also
quite healthy to give people a good kick in the duff from time to time
-- it gets them thinking, and if being mad at me polarizes folks and
makes them more effective, so be it.  

I hope you guys can just take it in stride and carry on.  Its not a
serious game where an end comes, we just keep moving forward.  Also,
your partisan side is showing.....

Your friend,

Jeff


Rik van Riel wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> 
> > Does anything helpful ever some out of your mouth, or just raw
> > sewage?  College professor types always seem to rely on character
> > assasination when they feel ill-equipped in competitive situations.
> 
> I think "character assasination" (or, more precise, harakiri)
> is what you did in the email that started off this thread.
> 
> Sure, Linux development is different than development of
> closed source software, but that's no reason for a bi-monthly
> flamefest. Time to dig out the "don't drink and mail" sign
> and permanently bury this thread. In your wise words: "get
> over it".
> 
> > I'd really like to meet you face to face sometime and see if your
> > as brave when you don't have the internet to hide behind.  What
> > trade shows are you planning to go to?  Let's get together at one
> > and "talk" about our relationship problems.
> 
> Judging from your original post and your later apology this
> would only be a good idea if we stick to drinks that are less
> flammable than we ourselves are. Maybe email really isn't a
> good medium to talk this out; a polite face to face meeting
> may indeed be better...
> 
> kind regards,
> 
> Rik
> --
> The Internet is not a network of computers. It is a network
> of people. That is its real strength.
> 
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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmer...@timpanogas.com>
Subject: NWFS 2.0 for 2.2/2.3/2.4
Date: 2000/02/10
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The NWFS 2.0 File System drivers for Linux 2.2/2.3/2.4 will be posted at
www.timpanogas.com and 207.109.151.240 next week.  Source Code will be
posted after I have had a chance to go over some design issues with Alan
Cox and a final code reivew and system test by our folks here.  

Jeff Merkey
CEO, TRG

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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmer...@timpanogas.com>
Subject: NetWare File System IMAGER 1.0.2 Released
Date: 2000/02/24
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The 1.0.2 version of the NetWare Volume Imager for Linux has been
updated and is available for download at 207.109.151.240 or via our
website at www.timpanogas.com.  

The IMAGER is a tool for migrating NetWare Servers to Linux and allows
System Administrators to merge, consolidate, split, and restore
collections of NetWare volumes for server consolidation and Migration.  

Thanks to assistance and guidance from Pavel Machek, Ingo Molinar, and
Alan Cox with the Linux Raid drivers, a future release of the IMAGER
will allow Linux users to perform in-place conversions of NetWare
Volumes into EXT2 file systems on-disk when combined with the Linux RAID
drivers.  The current Windows 2000 IMAGER converts NetWare volumes into
NTFS volumes in-place (but this probably is not very useful for Linux). 
In the spirit of keeping the playing field level, we are also providing
conversion capability on Linux as well.

This version corrects a segmentation fault bug when used with GLIB on
kernels 2.2.14 and above.  The Linux NWFS utilities have also been
updated and there are now both LIBC5 and GLIB version available on the
website.  The Linux version of the IMAGER is released under the GNU
public license and is freely available and distributible on Linux.  The
Windows 2000 and DOS versions are on a 30-day license and are not
covered under the GPL.

There is some good news on the 2.2/2.3 front for the file system drivers
-- they are nearing completion for release.

Jeff Merkey
CEO, TRG

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